At one point during the interview, Newsom brings up Jack Schlossberg, the thirty-three-year-old son of Caroline Kennedy, J.F.K., Jr.,’s sister. Murphy can barely conceal his resentment of what he perceives as a sort of aristocratic entitlement. The public found the adult Schlossberg during the pandemic years, seizing on his Instagram, where he proved himself to be completely literate in the language of internet absurdism. His wise-clown personality came as a shock, in part because of the legion of mythologized men he resembled. He skewered the veneration of his own family, too, later asking his followers on X whether Usha Vance, the Second Lady, was “hotter” than Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis, his grandmother. The line crossed, the kid cowed, he was now getting more serious, acting like the scion in the headlines. (He is now running for Congress in New York.) After “Love Story” was announced, Schlossberg accused Murphy of profiting off his family’s tragedy “in a grotesque way.” Murphy’s response, on Newsom’s podcast, was amazingly mean. He thought it was an “odd choice to be mad about your relative that you really don’t remember.” Afterward, Schlossberg exploded, citing childhood memories of his uncle—the given nickname of Jackolantern; his uncle driving a Pontiac convertible and picking him up from school.